Black Dog LED PhytoMAX-2 200 LED Grow Lights
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Black Dog LED PhytoMAX-2 200 - Powerful Full Spectrum LED Grow Light w/ Phyto-Genesis Technology
At 210 actual watts and 320 μMol/s total photon flux, the patent-pending PhytoMAX-2 200LED grow light panels are perfect for smaller grows where it's important to save energy and space without sacrificing light quality or intensity. With PhytoMAX-2 we have delivered the most powerful and reliable, truly full-spectrum (365-750nm, UV to NIR) LED plant grow lights! The PhytoMAX-2 200 grow lights use only the highest-quality, latest-technology, top-bin LEDs to deliver Black Dog LED's proprietary full-cycle Phyto-Genesis Spectrum® evenly over the entire footprint, with unprecedented PAR levels, canopy penetration and yields!
A free pair of Black Dog LED heavy duty ratcheting grow light hangers are included with every PhytoMAX-2 200 light!
Replaces any 400W HPS with higher yields and better quality results!
- PhytoMAX-2 200 LED grow light panels better penetrate dense canopies to produce a superior yield with higher quality flowers and more trichomes
- Increases yield over a 400W HPS while using half the electricity!
- Saves on electrical, cooling, reflector and bulb replacement costs
84 High-Output 5-watt LEDs
- Every top-bin LED is selected from the industry leader for the particular wavelength, including Cree, Osram, etc.
- With glass lenses for durability and cleanability
- High light intensity and energetic spectrum, crucial for canopy penetration to nourish lower leaves and flowers
- Even, edge-to-edge coverage eliminates leaf burn and hot spots
210 True Watts - 420 LED Watts
- The PhytoMAX-2 200 LED grow lights offer incredible coverage and results with very low electrical requirements!
Large Footprint
- Up to 3' X 3' (9 square feet!) of flowering footprint coverage!
- Proven by independent spectroradiometer testing
Phyto-Genesis Spectrum
- The most efficient spectrum for growing plants, based on over 6 years of research and testing, outperforming HPS, MH, CMH (LEC), induction, fluorescent, and "white", so-called "full-spectrum" LEDs in equal wattage tests
- One ideal spectrum for both vegetative and flowering stages eliminates stalling associated with spectrum changes such as switching from MH to HPS
- True full spectrum ranging from UVA to NIR (365-750nm) goes Beyond PAR™ for ultimate flowering and vegetative plant cycles
- Appears white to human eyes, allowing easy determination of plant health
Commercial Grade LED Grow Lights
- ETL certified to UL safety standards
- Unique no-glass design delivers up to 8% more light to your plants
- The best active heat management in the industry, crucial to maximizing LED efficiency, life, and spectrum stability
- Largest heat sink among commercial LED grow lights for superior cooling and increased LED life
- Whisper-quiet, long-life fans: 70,000+ hour rated lifespan
Contains no Highly Toxic Mercury
- Unlike all HID (HPS, MH, CMH / LEC) and fluorescent / induction bulbs
- No hazardous waste disposal fees
PhytoMAX-2 200 Spectrum
PhytoMAX-2 200 Footprint and Hanging Height
Which PhytoMAX-2 LED grow light is equivalent to a 1000W HPS or MH?
| Other Light | 1 PhytoMAX-2 200 equivalent to | 1 PhytoMAX-2 400 equivalent to | 1 PhytoMAX-2 600 equivalent to | 1 PhytoMAX-2 800 equivalent to | 1 PhytoMAX-2 1000 equivalent to |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 400W SE HPS | 1.00 | 2.00 | 3.00 | 4.00 | 5.00 |
| 600W SE HPS | 0.60 | 1.20 | 1.80 | 2.40 | 3.00 |
| 1000W SE HPS | 0.33 | 0.67 | 1.00 | 1.33 | 1.67 |
| 1000W SE MH | 0.50 | 1.00 | 1.50 | 2.00 | 2.50 |
| 1000W DE HPS | 0.25 | 0.50 | 0.75 | 1.00 | 1.25 |
| 1200W DE HPS | 0.20 | 0.40 | 0.60 | 0.80 | 1.00 |
| 315W CMH/LEC | 0.75 | 1.50 | 2.25 | 3.00 | 3.75 |
| 630W CMH/LEC | 0.38 | 0.75 | 1.13 | 1.5 | 1.88 |
| 6 bulb 4' T5 fluorescent (450W) | 1.20 | 2.40 | 3.60 | 4.80 | 6.00 |
| 8 bulb 4' T5 fluorescent (600W) | 0.90 | 1.80 | 2.70 | 3.60 | 4.50 |
The PhytoMax-2 LED Black Dog Series includes four additional lights: the PM-2 400, the PM-2 600, the PM-2 800 and the PM-2 1000
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Black Dog LED PhytoMAX-2 200 - Powerful Full Spectrum LED Grow Light w/ Phyto-Genesis Technology
At 210 actual watts and 320 μMol/s total photon flux, the patent-pending PhytoMAX-2 200LED grow light panels are perfect for smaller grows where it's important to save energy and space without sacrificing light quality or intensity. With PhytoMAX-2 we have delivered the most powerful and reliable, truly full-spectrum (365-750nm, UV to NIR) LED plant grow lights! The PhytoMAX-2 200 grow lights use only the highest-quality, latest-technology, top-bin LEDs to deliver Black Dog LED's proprietary full-cycle Phyto-Genesis Spectrum® evenly over the entire footprint, with unprecedented PAR levels, canopy penetration and yields!
A free pair of Black Dog LED heavy duty ratcheting grow light hangers are included with every PhytoMAX-2 200 light!
Replaces any 400W HPS with higher yields and better quality results!
- PhytoMAX-2 200 LED grow light panels better penetrate dense canopies to produce a superior yield with higher quality flowers and more trichomes
- Increases yield over a 400W HPS while using half the electricity!
- Saves on electrical, cooling, reflector and bulb replacement costs
84 High-Output 5-watt LEDs
- Every top-bin LED is selected from the industry leader for the particular wavelength, including Cree, Osram, etc.
- With glass lenses for durability and cleanability
- High light intensity and energetic spectrum, crucial for canopy penetration to nourish lower leaves and flowers
- Even, edge-to-edge coverage eliminates leaf burn and hot spots
210 True Watts - 420 LED Watts
- The PhytoMAX-2 200 LED grow lights offer incredible coverage and results with very low electrical requirements!
Large Footprint
- Up to 3' X 3' (9 square feet!) of flowering footprint coverage!
- Proven by independent spectroradiometer testing
Phyto-Genesis Spectrum
- The most efficient spectrum for growing plants, based on over 6 years of research and testing, outperforming HPS, MH, CMH (LEC), induction, fluorescent, and "white", so-called "full-spectrum" LEDs in equal wattage tests
- One ideal spectrum for both vegetative and flowering stages eliminates stalling associated with spectrum changes such as switching from MH to HPS
- True full spectrum ranging from UVA to NIR (365-750nm) goes Beyond PAR™ for ultimate flowering and vegetative plant cycles
- Appears white to human eyes, allowing easy determination of plant health
Commercial Grade LED Grow Lights
- ETL certified to UL safety standards
- Unique no-glass design delivers up to 8% more light to your plants
- The best active heat management in the industry, crucial to maximizing LED efficiency, life, and spectrum stability
- Largest heat sink among commercial LED grow lights for superior cooling and increased LED life
- Whisper-quiet, long-life fans: 70,000+ hour rated lifespan
Contains no Highly Toxic Mercury
- Unlike all HID (HPS, MH, CMH / LEC) and fluorescent / induction bulbs
- No hazardous waste disposal fees
PhytoMAX-2 200 Spectrum
PhytoMAX-2 200 Footprint and Hanging Height
Which PhytoMAX-2 LED grow light is equivalent to a 1000W HPS or MH?
| Other Light | 1 PhytoMAX-2 200 equivalent to | 1 PhytoMAX-2 400 equivalent to | 1 PhytoMAX-2 600 equivalent to | 1 PhytoMAX-2 800 equivalent to | 1 PhytoMAX-2 1000 equivalent to |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 400W SE HPS | 1.00 | 2.00 | 3.00 | 4.00 | 5.00 |
| 600W SE HPS | 0.60 | 1.20 | 1.80 | 2.40 | 3.00 |
| 1000W SE HPS | 0.33 | 0.67 | 1.00 | 1.33 | 1.67 |
| 1000W SE MH | 0.50 | 1.00 | 1.50 | 2.00 | 2.50 |
| 1000W DE HPS | 0.25 | 0.50 | 0.75 | 1.00 | 1.25 |
| 1200W DE HPS | 0.20 | 0.40 | 0.60 | 0.80 | 1.00 |
| 315W CMH/LEC | 0.75 | 1.50 | 2.25 | 3.00 | 3.75 |
| 630W CMH/LEC | 0.38 | 0.75 | 1.13 | 1.5 | 1.88 |
| 6 bulb 4' T5 fluorescent (450W) | 1.20 | 2.40 | 3.60 | 4.80 | 6.00 |
| 8 bulb 4' T5 fluorescent (600W) | 0.90 | 1.80 | 2.70 | 3.60 | 4.50 |
The PhytoMax-2 LED Black Dog Series includes four additional lights: the PM-2 400, the PM-2 600, the PM-2 800 and the PM-2 1000
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As an online based store, we ship directly from our wholesaler warehouses, which means we can pass the savings directly to our customers.Lowest Prices Guaranteed
We work tirelessly to ensure we have the lowest prices in the online market for our range of products. We're that confident that we'll beat any competitor's price by 10%. Check out our Best Price Guarantee policy.Fast Dispatch
Orders are dispatched usually within 2 business days(post order processing & handling). You'll get an email confirmation of shipping with tracking ID when your order leaves our warehouse.Secure Payments
Our online store is Shopify-based with SSL Encryption on all our pages, content and data. This simply means you're always safe when shopping with us.12-24 Month Manufacturer's Warranty
All our products come with a 12-24 month manufacturer's warranty.Dedicated Customer Support
Our dedicated team of specialists are available 7 days a week to answer your queries. Talk to us by phone, email or live chat!
Please note that shipping charges includes delivery to the front of your house only. Please consider planning ahead if the items you order are heavy/large to get them to their desired location.
Price Guarantee
We work very hard to ensure that we offer the absolute best prices online. If you find another online store that offers a lower price then us within 30 days of your purchase date please let us know and we will refund your original payment for the difference. We want you to feel confident that you are getting the absolute best price for the product you are ordering. If you find that our own website has a lower price for the same item you have ordered within 30 days of your purchase date will refund the difference as well.
To request your partial refund, simply e-mail us a link to the same product on our website, or on our competitor's website, within 30 days from the date of your order and we will process the credit accordingly.
Our 100% Price Guarantee has some limitations:
- You must purchase the item from our website before requesting your Price Match Guarantee
- Promotions such as rebates and "buy one, get one free" offers are not eligible
- The item must be in stock on the competitor's website
- The competitor must be an online store, they may not have a retail location
- The website can not be a discounter or auction website (ie; eBay, overstock, Walmart, Amazon, etc..)
- The competitor must be an Authorized Retailer of the product in question
- The Price Match Guarantee includes the item price and the shipping charges, it excludes sales tax
LOWEST PRICE GUARANTEE TERMS:
CLAIM
You will be required to provide the following information:
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Proof of guarantee:
Your Shopping Guarantee number and your email address used during the eligible transaction. The Shopping Guarantee number is provided to you on the order confirmation page from your merchant or the Certificate of Guarantee email. -
Details about the transaction:
Web site where the eligible purchase was made, date of purchase, amount paid, description of the item and SKU (if applicable). This information is typically included in the purchase confirmation email you received from the merchant. -
Proof of lower price:
We recommend that you send us a screenshot and the URL of the same item you purchased, showing the new price. We cannot accept printed materials, or email text as proof of the lower price.
All claims must be made by sending an email to PriceClaim@NortonShoppingGuarantee.com. Our staff will verify your claim within 10 business days. We reserve the right to contact you and the merchant in order to get more information. All claims must be made in English.
SERVICE CONDITIONS AND LIMITATIONS
- You must make a claim following the instructions above. We will review such claim for completeness and legitimacy, and, if approved, will make payment directly to you.
- Lowest Price Guarantee, when included with the Norton Shopping Guarantee you receive, is available only as follows:
- To be eligible, the value of a claim must be greater than $5 USD, but may not exceed $100 USD. per transaction. The maximum amount that you can claim in any 12-month period is $200 USD.
- The price reduction must be on the same item, with the same item SKU (if applicable), offered for sale on the same merchant's Web site, under the same merchant terms and conditions.
- For ticket purchases, such as sporting events, shows, concerts, etc., the price reduction must be for the same date and time, same show, same venue, and same quantity of tickets. Seats must be in the same section and in the same row or better.
- Lowest Price Guarantee does not apply to any of the following:
- Any item to which a volume discount, a coupon, a bundling arrangement (such as two-for-one), a customer rebate, an inventory liquidation, "Closeout Sale", "going out of business", "free offer", "CyberMonday", "Deal of the Day" promotion or other similar special promotional pricing mechanism is applied.
- Shipping, handling, taxes, surcharges, and any other similar fees.
- Any currency fluctuation. All claims will be reviewed in US dollar only as priced on the merchant's Website.
- Any partial, incomplete or cancelled orders, or any order for which a Purchase Guarantee claim has been submitted.
- One-of-a kind items (including antiques, artwork, rare coins and furs).
- Limited edition items.
- Services and additional costs (such as installation charges, extended or supplemental warranties, or memberships).
- Used, altered, rebuilt and refurbished items.
- Custom-built items.
- Land and buildings.
- Negotiable instruments (such as promissory notes, stamps and travelers checks).
- Items provided under a leasing arrangement.
- Cash or cash equivalent.
- Items that do not have a standard SKU will not be eligible for Price Guarantee.elec
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Everything about this light is premium quality. You'll get over the price.
It really is a great light. I am confident that I will be happy.
The light arrived promptly and was very well packaged. The unit is well made and has worked without problems. I originally had this installed so the the bottom of the fixture was 46" above the top of the growing beds. I measured the light intensity with an Apogee SQ-500 sensor which claims to capture all of the red light in the PAR spectrum. At the center of a 4 ft square table the intensity was 640 micromoles/m^2/s. In the center of the edges it was between 400 and 350 and at the corners it was between 246 and 320. For an 18 hour lighting day, this puts the daily light integral (DLI) in the center at 41.5 moles/m^2/day. At the edges it drops to between 22.7 and 25.9 and at the corners it drops to between 15.9 and 20.7. This a very intense light. Most of the professional horticulturists say that the DLI should be between 12 and 14 for greens and 15 to 20 plus for vine crops. It seemed like some of the lettuce varieties the were in the central part of the beam were getting sunburned and I raised the light as much as I could and tilted it slightly to direct it more toward the plants that can stand more light. It would be better if my ceiling were higher (only 9 ft), or the plants were on the floor (hard on my back). I may eventually build a greenhouse. If your space is limited, you might want to forgo buying the worst LED fixture on the planet and get several smaller ones to spread out the light intensity.
I'm in 5th week of Flower. WOW! Update of original review. 5 STARS ALL THE WAY!
Vegged my plants under a king 1500w... when I put them under my new Blackdog phytomax 2 600 they exploded! Best light by far.
I recently got this PHYTOMAX-2 200 to do a little test compared to my Kind K3 LED and holy smokes!!! I want to work for you guys in my free time spreading the word about this light. I have a few of Superclosets systems and they come with the Kind K3 LED and I switched one out for your PHYTOMAX-2 200 and its like a night and day difference. A side by side grow in the same supercloset, same strain, same nute schedule, and the PHYTOMAX-2 200 is a f-ing game changer!!! And believe me I'm calling Superclosets and letting them know. I can definitely say that I will be getting more of these lights asap, and some stickers or shirts or anything thing with yalls logo on it and gonna make sure people know that Black Dog is the real deal!!!
The new Phytomax-2 series is a HUGE improvement over the Phytomax series in diode quality. Black dog has stepped up and growers can definately get 1g/w with this light but don’t expect more. It’s not anywhere near the best led light but it’s good. It’s also easy to grow with, provides good coverage and is EXTREMELY well engineered and QUALITY built
After much skepticism and debate, I decided to purchase the 800, and can honestly say, "This is a best in class product hands down." The less expensive alternatives, will never match the RESULTS and RELIABILITY of these Black Dog Phytomax II lights. I've noticed 3 levels of innovation since this company first started out selling high end 3 watt led units. Then, upgraded to 5 watt leds. Thirdly, the glass "filter" removal was the proof that these guys have been IMPROVING every step of the way. Also, means they have educated folks in the design team who understand the limitations of glass/ plastic between the light sources and the plants.
Excellent product guys!
I bought the phytomax2-200 in December and started to grow immediately. I was a pretty hesitatent to purchase since the price is relatively expensive. I'm almost done with my first grow as a beginner and I'm impressed. The light has worked as described without any fualt. The quality of the light is nice and easily noticed when being handled. The light also keeps the temperature down which is an added bonus. The fans are virtually noiseless and the distribution of light is great. Overall the plants love this light and produce buds everywhere on the plant with the top canopy having massive buds. I few more grows with the phytomax2-200 to hone my growing skills and then I'm purchasing a 400 or 600. My opinon if you can afford it get it. You won't be disappointed
The internodal spacing is immaculate to what I've been growing with! (Mh,hps,cheap LEDs) the difference is night and day,no joke! If you want resin production and layers of frosty trichomes your gonna wanna definitely run on these lights! I have 3 phytomax 2 200's and they rock my 4x8 tent with snowflakes of trichomes from heaven,these three cover more footprint than a hps and give you better weight with 40% or more savings in electricity,the stickiness from the resin is no lie.... buds stick together,I have to go in and separate sticky buds every day! If your looking to grow quality herb! Then buy a quality light! And Black Dog is a game changer for the cannabis field! Dont take my word for it,ask anyone who uses black dog led lights,the results are astonishing!
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